But admittedly, its pretty close. As an actor of 20 years myself I can say for SMG that her acting ability is affected by her accent and delivery due to her accent . The actors are not slaves to the fans or public opinion. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. The reed-thin part sometimes involves unhealthy behaviors. I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. Andrew: Great, perceptive, thoughtful post! After the first two seasons of high pressure I thought I would have seen more growth. And over the last couple of years, so have I. Im still not fond of the gory, violent Klingon business of the first couple of seasons, but I slowly began to see DISCO anew. During the 1st season, Michael helped Tilly to gain confidence and then continued to nurture that confidence through . But I really do like Book a lot! It explains why each scene is half-redundant and half-contradictory with the others within the same episode. My preference would be to set it post TUC but quite frankly any other established era would be fine. It inspired her to switch careers. My only issue with Captain Killy is that she died that wonderful red hair blonde. :-), What, you mean you dont follow your patients around at work, giving suggestions? Smart doesnt mean competent. Tilly looks great and her weight is a not a issue. Im glad we are finally seeing it. Ridiculous or not, it has been well established in Trek canon that starships have counselors/therapists, and they are often used by the crew. Would a woman watching this aspire to be a Tilly or aspire to be a Dax, Kira or Janeway? Hes been very creative in using callbacks and interweaving eras in his own work. Which I think would be a tremendous mistake. Tilly is the product of lazy writing and a lazy showrunner. . Her message was not that its okay to be overweight (and shes really not that overweight, nor should it really matter), but simply thats it okay to be her flaws and all. And it was mentioned in one of the episodes of the first season, I dont remember whichwould have to research, that councilors on Galaxy class ships due to the fact that families were on the ship and it was meant for longer than 5 year missions. Mary Wiseman: I wish there maybe in the future theres room for some protective best friend/boyfriend energy. Though frankly, I find people like her generally seem more aware of their overall health and fitness than people who try to fit others images. For your own good, please seek help. Han Van Sciver and Mary Wiseman in At the Wedding (Photo: Marc J. Franklin), Watch Wiseman and cast and crew talk about the season four finale. By: TrekMovie.com Staff KevinB: Oh, I agree with you, in the sense that nothing is perfect and there are flaws and issues here and there. So, hes likely a good fit for the Hageman brothers who say that they want to bring the Wrath of Khan feeling to the Prodigy audience. Sisko on the other hand. I dont read the same type of criticism for their male actors. I originally was skeptical but then I turned around in season 1 and really started enjoying it. Its just lazy writing. The Relaunch Litverse books for DS9 are uneven in my reading experience as compared to the TNG and the Voyager books once Beyer took over. Mary Wiseman as Tilly in episode 402, Anomaly. Weight Gain Explained Rumors are going on that Mary Wiseman is pregnant and she has gained weight. You know what, fvck you, Vulcan Soul. They made an insensitive statement about her body and called her a promoter of an unhealthy lifestyle. And thats a healthy outlook. In season one and early season two, I was finding it credible as a case of someone who had unresolved PTSD and was unmoored from the culture that had encouraged her to supress her trauma. Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. She opted that she had a different calling within the world of teaching and, in the end, she decided that she wanted to chase that feeling. She let go in S4 of her parents expectations and embraced a new purpose. You always come up with weird posts VS this one is weirder than usual Im afraid to say. Sonequa is by all accounts probably the best or one of the best chef de compagnie of all the Trek series. Just grow up and ignore the random internet comments you are elevating the drama of this internet troll thing by talking about it. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. The Tilly we saw as Earth, check that United (eyeroll) Earth was being evacuated is NOT the same Tilly we saw for the previous 40+ episodes. And tons dont. Harry wasnt annoying. Two Kelpians and a Disco Kenny (Zero Kelpians were harmed during this shoot. I think that in a world thats so repressed and violent, violence becomes these peoples only outlet for pleasure and release. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. I would prefer to finish the rest of Prodigy first season instead. Cant believe people are so rude as to insult anyone because they dont look the way they expect. Im sure many may NOT be a Janeway but could at least look at her and say thats what I aspire to be. In fact now I think of it, Book aside everyone has an American accent. Let it die. Yes I forgot David Mack is a consultant on this show too and is well aware of all the post-Nemesis stories in the novels. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. Up ahead, we explain what happened to Tilly in the recent episode and also discuss actor Mary Wiseman's status on the show. Samarkand? Internationally, the series is available on Paramount+ in Australia, Latin America and the Nordics, and on Pluto TV in Austria, France, Germany . I have nothing against Mary Wiseman. And second of all, just to dig into it, you dont always get to see a woman like me in that sort of position. Jack perhaps you were at the Dave Chappelle protest screaming Judas, you are starting to sound like the type who gets sensitive over everything. You mean that I can find myself a BBW in the 32nd Century? She is super meta. Oh, I think its fine they had a counselor on the SHIP; I just think its weird they had her on the BRIDGE. I love Tilly. I cant spoil anything into season five, except to say that we love Tilly. Hopefully next season they will be given more development. Definitely not a dig at the actress, she is only delivering what the directors and producers have asked her to deliver. I'm finding Star Trek Discovery to be incredibly dull and childish. Just underused. Barclay was another unrealistic character that never shouldve made it in to Starfleet. It has also been speculated that Wiseman may be moving over to the proposed Starfleet Academy show openly discussed by Alex Kurtzman and Paramount+ execs but not yet officially ordered as a series. Finally, Starfleet isn't a military organisation or an army. I saw someone just last month asking on a Facebook fanpage if Starfleet had some kind of physical fitness standard and if so, shes violating it, ect.the same old idiotic abusive misogyny disguised as genuine concern. You cant be a Star Trek fan and also be a racist or a body shamer. Its far from just the United States or even just affluent countries. Anyway, another Discovery-ism, amongst the many other weird decisions on this show. Hey writers room go back to TNG and see how a child became an honourary bridge officer on the Enterprise D. (something equally puzzling to say the least) Picard did it because the Traveller who could traverse space time and see the future and past told Picard it was extremely important to encourage the boy. Definitely a character created for the TikTok generation to like.. high five, hugs and ditziness with lots of over emotional feelings on display. Martin-Green says she has come to accept changes in her body, especially after the birth of her second child shortly before production on season three: With my first pregnancy I bounced back without trying (which is a crime, by the way, that we expect women to do that after birth rather than focus on healing). But the nu left that this show panders to cant accept any opinion that isnt in agreement with it so they try to immediately invalidate it. Regarding fans, tons of them love Tilly. Other ships having counselors in the TNG era was mentioned. Especially when there were just so many more qualified people for the job on and off the ship. Events in David Macks two books towards the end of that series ( A Time to Kill and A Time to Heal) have a profound impact throughout the rest of the Litverse. Thats the whole point why they wanted HER to teach at the newly formed Academy They wanted someone with the original 23rd century optimism and enthusiasm I share that notion a lot And yeah, Im glad Starfleet doesnt work like actual military, And no, S3 was not stupidity. :). This is not a good show and not a good Star Trek Show too. So many reasons to be critical of Disco plot holes, awful sense of morals, missed opportunities, etc. Why did they do that? Wiseman had other things to do. The character. And no one in their right mind would play poker with her. Its a tricky one, as someone who is outside America and didnt have English as the first language growing up its more noticeable. (But then she has always reminded me, her looks and bubbliness, of my cousin who just so happens to be a wonderful teacher. We have both Mary Wiseman and Sonequa Martin-Green talking about body issues, Kate Mulgrew jumping in too, and some more behind-the-scenes photos. Tillys great contribution is that shes NOT that sort of superwoman most people can never be. Eh, only in some particular parts of the internet. I personally have battled weight issues all my life since high school and when I am eating healthy and trainng hard, I feel great and can do almost anything (power skating, fast hockey, tons of physical activity) meanwhile the opposite is true when I let myself go (and that does happen). Everybody does NOT love Tilly. Not sure what her weight has to do with anything. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. With his skill and abilities, we will see how he may use them in a way that may affect his relationship with Michael Burnham. Have to disagree. See more at the Paley Center for Media Arts' Star Trek: Discovery Fight for the Future exhibit in Los Angeles, now through July 7th. Tilly is a wonderful incarnation of our inner geekdom, a person you would find at conventions or in fanfiction I love this character so much because she isnt perfect. Xanadu? I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building. Saru would then recognize the potential in her, give her opportunities to build her self esteem and confidence, and wed get a good arc that doesnt seem forced like it does now. Why wouldnt someone want to be more like that? Unless you want to count Ezri Dax she was a therapist but I dont believe she heald a high ranking command position. Neither she nor anyone else with common sense is celebrating obesity. When I was around 12 I used to eat peanut butter and drink Ensure, a meal replacement drink, before I went to sleep. It just really doesnt fit in this show however. One reason why I think people gravitated towards Trip the most on Enterprise was that the combination of writing and performances created one of the most believable humans in Star Trek this side of Dr. McCoy and Chief OBrien. The Enterprise D was the only place we saw a councelor. And how and how would your abilities be used in the Mirror Universe? Not liking a character doesnt make a person a troll, so Im not even sure what that nonsensical comment was supposed to mean. She strikes me as no different than Barkley. Thats undeniable. David Ajala: Legit, its still very palpable here. Theyve written Tilly as just the straight oh theres Tilly for the jokes. And with Troi being a betazoid, thats why she was on the bridge. I see other people mentioning the books on Reddit and Youtube because of the new show obviously. Jake is about 45-50 and one of the two lead characters. He was non-military, the same height as me, and easily weighed 300#. I am a therapist in real life, and even *I* think it was crazy that they had a therapist on the bridge. She never wouldve made it through the Academy. Probably some admirals cousin. Thematic darkness is fine but graphic visuals arent. I LOVE the future! Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. Sonequa Martin-Green as Burnham hugging Mary Wiseman as Tilly in Coming Home. But Barclay is just irritating as hell. Anyway it was just a thought. All are different. Personally I dont find that inspiring in any way whatsoever. Well said, Edward. Its participation trophy trek. Marys my TV crush for the last 3 years. And it all happened OFF SCREEN! Having a discussion about healthy weights, healthy eating and physical activity and how thats important is a good Star Trek message. And Books starshipthink of it as Star Treks answer to the Astro Megaship from Power Rangers in Space. When all evidence points to her character not being loved or even liked (the actress is fine; shes been poorly handled by the writers (Michelle Paradise). The other big issue Ive always had is the graphic nature of violence, this We are TV-MA streaming, so we can do anything attitude I simply hate that. That was always the theory I had for Barclay. Happy to have your wit, enthusiasm, & talent as part of the franchise. Even though he is one of the worst characters in Trek, he was the main focus in arguably the best episode of Voyager: Timeless. And more importantly, were back to exploring both the prime universe and 24th century again we havent done since Voyagers final season, which was 20 years ago this year! Has Tilly body-shaming outside of the Twitter imbeciles been a thing? And saying they should be sending this message is just another way to try to bully someone into doing what you want, not what that person wants for their self. But dont those characteristics fit better on a younger character, while the older one grows up and changes? To me, at least. That being said, knowing what weight restrictions there are for men and women serving avoid combat ships in todays Navy, my bet would be she would need to lose some weight to preserve her shipboard assignment in todays real-world Navy. The visual reboot premise was overstretched. That will be the one I read first! Star Trek: Discovery threw a shocker into its latest episode as Lieutenant Sylvia Tilly decided to leave the Discovery crew. When a show blankets the airwaves with hugs and confessionals and cheering it tends to make any subtler moments stand out far less, but this is also not a subtle show to begin with. None of those thinks make a lick of sense. Now if it turns out, Burnham was being influenced by an alien entity or she has been given insight into the future which made it imperative that she rush Tilly into becoming the Number One, then I can accept it. But I think one of the things that leaves everyone feeling unmoored in this situation is they dont even know how to use their skills to deal with this because its something theyve never seen before, and they cant predict it, they dont know by which rules its operating, and how to even engage. And to get to see that visually, that was a very gratifying moment for me to see, Okay, somebody different showed up., Mary Wiseman as Tilly and Oded Fehr as Admiral Vance in Coming Home. But it looks like TG47 answered your question! I never thought of Adira as being all that similar, but I see your point. It doesnt look like unhealthy curvy but just different type of genes. So it has been hard, and its really hard to avoid, because it pops up on all the [social media] accounts, or people comment on my posts with cruel, unscientific comments. If that happens, I'm betting she'll be a part of it. He was in the Travis Mayweather category. Keep up with theStar Trek Universe at TrekMovie.com. MS Wiseman owns the sadistic Bitch Capt Killy like she does Tilly. To be clear, my opinion on a show has no bearing on how it helped you at a terrible time in your life. Her character, Sylvia Tilly, has had plenty of opportunities to shine without giving anything away, and Wiseman has risen to the occasion. Right! The future doesnt have a preferred accent. Body shaming is wrong and immature. If anything is being celebrated, or, at the very least, encouraged, its simple human decency and not judging people by physical attributes alone. She served aboard the USS Discovery while still a cadet in 2256, later commissioned as an ensign . So I think Tilly definitely goes to employ those skills. Everybody loves is an idiom, it should never be taken as a strict statement. Im relieved to say I have no idea how that feels, and its something I cant even stomach thinking about, frankly. No one of my Trekkie friends, growing up with TNG watch this anymore. This week's episode raised concerns.
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